Male crossdressers taking hormones

MichelleT
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Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby MichelleT » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:44 pm

I've read about male crossdressers taking estrogen and t-blockers. How do you hide your
breasts when in male mode? It seems to me like it would be impossible.

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Julie Marie » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:45 pm

Hi all



I would think that if someone were 'only' a crossdresser, they would have a very
difficult time getting hormones and t-blockers through their doctor!
It takes a lot lf counselling to get on hormones and IF someone has gone the
'Internet' route and is sef-prescribing.... (The single word... IDIOT!!... comes to
mind...) Self prescribing something like this is NOT a good idea, period!
So! Either the author/ authoress of the artricle is using the wrong
term (Meant to say Transwoman/ transexual/ TS/ etc...) or... the
people doing this to themselves are taking a tremendous risk with their life!!
I can only say this, You have been given one body. There are no spare/
replacement parts that are specific to you! They are ALL generic, one size, fits
all, parts! Sometimes they fit great, other times, well, you get the idea.
Since you only have one body, if it doesn't match your mind, take the time to
transform it with professional help and not from some hyper-sales-pitch off the
internet!
Huggs,
Lisa Elizabeth

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby LisaElizabeth » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:46 pm

Hmmm....yeah well, it would be helpful if people knew about the side effects of
hormones before taking any. *sighs* What can I say? it is like
"whatever"...

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby tinkerbell » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:46 pm

I've met several CDs from the local support groups and some do take hormones. Most are
only doing it sporadically and the ones who take them all the time don't really care if
someone notices their breasts. They don't seem to have any problem getting estrogen.
They order it on the internet from countries that don't list them as controlled
substances.

I can't say I agree with their choice but it's theirs to make.

Karen Lyn

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby KarenLyn » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:47 pm

Well, I wouldn't call people who self-medicate idiots
unless they have not read anything about it beforehand.
The risks are very low, especially if your taking
low doses of bio-identicals. With low doses taken
a very long time and low doses of T blockers, you
actually get a lower dose of T than a man and a
lower dose of E than a woman; with that if
managed properly you may be able to have sex as
a man and have decent breasts. Your fertility
may be much lower, but some don't care bout that.



The only thing is if a CD is taking HRT and doesn't care if
he has breasts, I would question his if he's really a CD.

I think he may find out after awhile that part time is
not enough and that CD was not the right description
for his/her case.

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Keira » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:47 pm

hi . i am noeleena . o dear why do it. did you get your
base count done .o yes blood check i dont think so . do you know what you are
taking well hrt is not to be played with ..some may not say
so. i am 60 post op i know what i am doing &
were i am at .i am doing it. why. i am a trans female not because i want
to. i need to . some may not think that .& thats okay i am for real .i
am liveing as female .....& thats it .so we see things in a way that is.
whats in side of us not just on the out side please do your
home work check it out . there is more that can be said .i just hope you
hear what is being said ,....noeleena.....

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby noeleena » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:47 pm

this is the thing. hrt is not designed for cd's. i don't care what anybody
says. that's just the way it is, so deal with it people.

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby katia » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:48 pm

Not too sure what you mean noeleena.

Many have started self-medicating, often for years,
before seeing a GP or endo. I've rarely heard bad
experiences in the internet crowd though there
are undoubtably some in the less educated
street scene (but its the same crowd which injects
street silicone, so hey, its not like HRT's the most risky thing they do...)

Most times, the DIYers studied
the compendium and studies on the subject
for the HRT they are taking
much more closely than a treating doctor would.
Not many take this on a whim and many stop after
experimenting and seing its not for them.

How much time an endo has taken in school and internship, on
administrating HRT to genetic males, 0 minutes,
so he's learning it the same way we are, experience
and studies.

The only thing that's important pre-HRT is knowing if you've
got a liver condition and genetic clotting risks. Normal
health checks tells you the first and family history tells you the second
(and tests can confirm it).

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Keira » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:49 pm

When I was on transdermals I had almost all the breast growth I now have. All my
friends said go to injections and it will take your development into hyper-drive.
When I switched to injections by boobs stopped hurting and breast growth practically
stopped. On transdermals my E level was 24. On injections it was over
350. My blood test results were perfect but physical development suffered
greatly. My doctor was baffled but he loved seeing the results of my blood tests
so as far as he was concerned I was on the perfect dosages. When he asked if I
wanted to start progesterone to further my breast development I happily agreed.
Results after 6 months? No change. Again, my doctor was baffled but those
blood tests still looked great. Everyone is different. No one regimen works
for everyone.

Getting back to the issue of if one is CD, TG or TS, I went through just that
process. I was at first convinced I was CD but I still had a very strong desire
to be on HRT. Then I started identifying myself as TG. When I used this
term in front of my wife and daughter they both said, "I thought you were a
crossdresser!" I tried phytoestrogens but that only made me sick. I "got a
hold" of some female hormones and took them for six weeks (I ran out). I was
pretty happy then. When I began therapy I knew I would eventually ask for the HRT
letter and I did. Once on HRT I began to feel normal. After I had broken
down enough walls of denial I finally admitted to myself I was TS. That was the
beginning of finding real peace and happiness.

If one has a very strong desire to be on HRT it's not a bad idea to keep an open mind
that maybe there's more to this than just clothing. The moment I admitted to
myself I was TS I cried because I knew what the fallout was going to be. I also
knew I had to transition and experience that fallout. It's tough, so it's easy to
see why a transperson would stay in denial as long as they can. Fear can be a
very strong motivator.

Whatever choices one makes regarding HRT is their choice but before you make that
choice it's a good idea to educate yourself well so you know what you're getting
into. There's plenty of information available. There's no reason to walk
into this ignorant.

Julie

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Julie Marie » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:49 pm

This turned out to be a GREAT TOPIC!!! Lot's of discussion, lots of
viewpoints!!
I just KNEW I would incite the wrath of the 'T' Godessess with my
comment!! lol
I still feel that self medicating for HRT is the wrong way to go.
especially if you are not using bio-identical hormones. Only the gods/ godessess
know what is in there or where it came from. Just my opinion.
I also agree that if you are using a Doctor with no 'T' experience, he/ she is
fumbling along the way, trying to do the right thing as they go. So, if you can
find a different Doctor with transition experience, changing to that provider would
instill more confidence that you are doing things safely.
Heart problems, blood clots, Kidney and liver problems are ALL potential risks
for HRT, if you are self medicating, who will find that you are one of the 'unlucky'
few that have one of those side effects?
Please remember, that the pharmeceutical maker of 'PremPro' stopped the research
study on it's long term effects because it was killing the test subjects!! That
was when used in genetic females, not certain I would EVER want to take something where
the side effect was death.
Huggs,
Lisa Elizabeth

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby LisaElizabeth » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:50 pm

As a crossdresser who has been on hormones for over 25 years, here is some real
data.
First off, I already had a hormone imbalance when I started, (with a doctor), to try to
balance my system. I started in the late 70's on some "test drugs" and actually
found one that worked--unfortunately, when the test was over, it was a "failure." So
you start over again trying to find the proper formula.
End result, my body responded extremely well, and I wound up with a "C" cup within a
year. What other said it true---you have to "hide" most of the time in guy
clothes and can never be naked.
My wife did not like it, so I have a mastectomy, and got back to normal.
This produced a considerable amount of emotional and mental pain, so eventually, I went
back to trying to balance my system.
Found another drug that worked, has few side effects and all was well. Believe it
or not, a hurricane leveled the only plant that made the coated pill, and since the
patent had long sense expired, the pharmacitual company did not rebuild it.
Starting "testing" other drugs and while I found one that worked, but eventually
reduced my sex drive to zero.

Thirty years later, my sex drive an performance is still zero. So realize when
you embark on this journey, you may well wind up impotent.

The Hormones do make my feeling, emotions and body feel more balanced--but sex is the
cost---

Advise,--- don't do anything without a doctor---there are way too many risk and there
are plenty of doctors who can, and will help you.
Once you feel the difference the hormones make, it is very difficult to give them
up---while not addictive in the normal sense, you will have a hard time
stopping. Softer skin, breast development, rounder hips, better hair growth,
etc.

It's a big committment, and I agee with the person that said no CD should take
hormones---it will change you and you will move more towards a transgendered person.

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby ogaby20070 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:50 pm


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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Valentina » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:51 pm

TO Valentina,
You are correct and I hope I made that clear in my message. Even though I would
have though I was nothing but a CD, I will easily confess I am more transgendered, that
just CD.

I think your reply is great---it is not a subject to be treated lightly--and it will
change your life & your body.

Very perspective of you,
Julie

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Salt0 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:51 pm

I tried to convince myself for years that I was "just" a CD and not a TG. That no one
had to know, that I could hide it. But I wanted to take hormones. After years of denial
I finally admitted to myself and my doctor that I was a TG. So I can see how a CD can
start down that road....

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Kiwi Jayne » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:52 pm

It's an interesting issue because it has paternalism on one side and self-reliance on
the other. Personally, I think the only idiotic thing to do is to take drugs
without knowing what you're taking. There are a lot of people taking hormones out
there without prescription who are very knowledgeable about them; there are also lots
of people taking ethinyl estradiol and other dangerous hormones because their doctor
prescribed it and "Dr. knows best."

As far as crossdressers go, I think even if one self-identifies as only a crossdresser,
this is probably denial if steps are being taken to change the body rather than just
accessorizing it.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Lia

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Purple Pimp » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:52 pm

I realize that my story is not normal, but I am sure other peoples stories are not
either.

There are lots or reasons that I think people are drawn to hormones---some valid and
others that are not.
I have had "periods" each month since before I was a teenager, that I felt like my body
had been given a tranquilizer, and my mind an upper---total conflict.
It took years and a number of physicians before someone would take me seriously, and
actually run some test. The results were an endrocrine system that was even "off
their measuring chart."
First doctor suggested 6 months of taking my temperature when I first woke up, at noon,
and then an night with an ovulation thermometer, (don't laugh, when you feel that bad,
you try anything). It measured temperature in tenths, and after six months
produced a perfect cycle--- Here's the great part of medicine, the doctor said, "yes,
you have something effecting your hormones, but I don't know what to do about it."
Four doctors later, I entered into a bind study test in Houston, by MD Anderson.
They ran a "full" hormone screen, (male and female) and found the problem. Then
it was pure experimentation for the next two years to find a formulation that would
stop the crazies I was having, without side effects. The test drew blood twice a
week for over a year and the end result is that while I made "medical history" for an
impossible endrocrine system, they did not have any answers as to "why" it was that
way--or what to do about it, except to try to bring it into more balance.

The rest of the story is on my original posting---
Bottom line is to keep questioning and seeking help, until a doctor actually listens to
you.

I realize that some people experiment with hormones and don't have physical
abnormalities---but I think many CD and transgendered people might be surprized if they
ever had a "full" hormone scan---

Hormones are extremely powerful, and effect the entire body--
There is more information out to the community now about them, dosages, etc, but not
much about people who have long-term experience with them.

My only reason for the posting was to tell people that there may be medical causes that
are not being explored--It doesn't change the long-term effects, it just provides more
data for people.

I appreciate the comments and hope this will provide some more insights as to "why"
some people might actually be helped with hormone therapy.

I have been asked whether I thought the imbalance in the hormone system created the
transgendered issues; or the other way around. I have no idea--but both are real
and I now accept will be with me until death.
Julie

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby Periwinkle130 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:53 pm

I have a good friend...not a cd'er (not in any big way...maybe some lingerie and such,
but no public outings) or wanting to go TG ....who just wanted to have breasts.

Call it what you will, he wanted them in a very powerful way..so much so that he
self-medicated with depo/IM... and did it himself. I'm sure that there is some sortta
psycho-babble about female form worship or that he was weaned too early or got dropped
on his head during a diaper change......

His breast growth is phenomenal and his male libido is still intact. He has the ability
to satisfy his wife.... ...which was the ONE caveat that his wife insisted upon.

He wears a full 38C, loves it and has no true problems hiding things. He even wears a
few wired-pushups from time to time under his male clothing..even business suits.

I can see them as I know they are there, but I don't suppose anyone else has or they
just say nothing.

He and I go trout fishing in the Spring in the High Sierras..and we go topless...it's a
kick..OK..it's kinky..but we just have a great time..and NO..there's no maleX2 activity
in the woods. We fish, drink some beer, cook trout and beans and sleep in separate
tents.

We don't want to BE women..although I think I am closer to passing than he will ever
be...but that's my bag and not his.

His sexual prowess..either self-admitted or told by his wife is that he is still as
good ..if not more potent than before.

I am fully functional too..have had a couple of children after and even during my
"treatment" so, I know that the plumbing's still firing real rounds.

He says : "Having two more sexual organs".... as he calls them, "... is extremely
erogenous and a great turn-on for them both" <end quote> <ditto for me and my
wife> .

Hate to run the gauntlet of wrath for the self-proclaimed goddesses, but there's people
and then there's people..and I don't think anyone has a whisper of reason to judge
anyone's obsession with any sexual fulfillment.

You (goddesses) can have what you want..why can't you also let others have their own
way with...by the way...a body that is not yours to judge or try to comprehend. You are
trying to run an exclusive club..how are you going to have any understanding if you
slam doors on others with...as the public says...a phobia or a psychosis or a mental
condition, that for all intents and reasons LOOKS like a perversion from the outside
world?

If you are going to close ranks on people who also seek their ideal, how can you expect
anyone else to offer succor for you and your windmills?

Know that the rules cannot work one way and not the other. at your or anyone else's
whim.

Live and let live. If he wants breasts, hips, a butt or a waistline like a
female...more power to him.

I applaud my friend and his stalwart wife....they are pearls amongst
judgmental people. .

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby JodieBlonde » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:53 pm

This is one of the best strings I've run across here at Susan's. It is bring to light
what seems to me to be a common misunderstanding between transsexuals and those of us I
call bigenderists (I find "crossdresser" a rather vague description). It seems to be
difficult for many of you to understand that a completion of life transition is not
always the ultimate goal. Though I agree that going on hormones is an extreme measure.
While I don't wish to ever stop presenting myself as a man and I love my masculine
genitalia, I would absolutely love to have breasts. Having to disguise my chest in
public some of time would be a small price to pay. The ideal situation for many of us
would be a safe method of growing breasts while retaining our male functions entirely.
While there must be many success stories such as Jodie Blonde's friend, you hear all
too many like Julie A's. Personally, I believe hormones, even through a doctor's care,
to be a bit too drastic a commitment for my situation. Until science comes up with a
more ideal solution, I'll continue to get by with stretching exercises, underwire
pushups, and silicon pads. I recently read about exposure to lavender oil causing
gynecomastia in boys, I suspect it couldn't hurt to see if you get anything.

I would love to hear about more experiences with hormones by male bigendered
persons.

Lyric

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Re: Male crossdressers taking hormones

Postby matt_19011 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:54 pm

Jodie, I've got nothing against people taking hormones to have body closer
to female if they KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO. I'm not even
talking about the physical dangers of it which I feel are way overblown.

So many think hormones will effect their breast tissues and a binder will solve
all,
well guess what guys, it does not. In many cases, I see it as a self-destructive
compulsion like smoking. I've known a few who didn't stop until they went too far
and one even had a breast reduction because it was causing too much problems,
not too mention his sperm count was shot to hell.


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